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Aussiegamer
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 Posted - 08/19/2007 : 04:28:36
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With the 2008 date being set in stone...will you be saving your bucks and buying the new core books.
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videogeek
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 Posted - 08/19/2007 : 06:19:38
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| I'm gonna read up on them, and then think about it, and then get distracted by shiny objects, and then spend the money on the shiny objects instead. So no, but not so much out of contention or a firm stance, but more because I get so little use lately out of the books I have, that buying them over seems insanely foolish. |
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Tiburon Goblingrinder
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Posted - 08/19/2007 : 22:28:30
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Yes is the short answer.
My group plays RPGA Living Greyhawk pretty much exclusively now so in order to continue playing I should buy at least the PHB. Now, if the PHB is $50CDN then I may have to mooch a friends copy for awhile.
Before anyone says "Heck no to 4.0!" think about what you said about 3.5 before it came out. Are you playing 3.5 right now? |
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Halidan
Ranger Lord of Berry
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Posted - 08/19/2007 : 23:33:54
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I'll buy some of it, especialy the 4E Realms material.
BTW - Tiburon, I have some bad news for you. Living Greyhawk will come to an end with 3.5. The new living world will be the Forgotten Realms!!!! |
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Tiburon Goblingrinder
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 01:44:15
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Originally posted by Halidan
I'll buy some of it, especialy the 4E Realms material.
BTW - Tiburon, I have some bad news for you. Living Greyhawk will come to an end with 3.5. The new living world will be the Forgotten Realms!!!!
I beg your pardon? The RPGA is switching to Forgotten Realms from Living Greyhawk?
I just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing here.
RPGA designed modules and AR's will from now on be set in FR?
Is there a link or something to this becasue on teh RPGA website they're saying they're wrapping up Bright Sands and next year (2008) will focus on Greyhawk Ruins?
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DM: How are your hitpoints?
Barbarian: Fine, nevermind.
DM: Annnd... your rage has ended.
Barbarian: Oh, I'm dead then. |
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Aussiegamer
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 10:14:05
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You need to buy the book and then buy the etools access and then you need to pay the monthly fee to access the neat stuff...
And yes I bought 3.5 but never said i would not, the 3.5 was MOSTLY compatiable with the older 3.0 books. But alas this is not the case for 3.5e to 4e.
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Denlavar
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 12:49:25
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| I doubt I will, not into gathering more books, but hey, we'll see. |
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Halidan
Ranger Lord of Berry
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Posted - 08/20/2007 : 16:21:13
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Originally posted by Tiburon Goblingrinder
I beg your pardon? The RPGA is switching to Forgotten Realms from Living Greyhawk? I just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing here.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying Tiburon. The following is from Chris Tulach, WotC's RPGA Content Manager. It's reported from a LG list, although I've edited because of the length.
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A Year of Change: The RPGA in 2008
As most of you reading this know, Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition was announced at Gen Con Indy on this past Thursday evening. This means great things for the game, and with that, big changes for the RPGA and its programs. Ever since "The Announcement", one of the hot topics both at the convention and online has been "What does this mean for the future?"
At our members' meeting this evening, Ian and I talked to the assembled players, judges, and staff about the RPGA's future. Even though many of you can't be with us, we felt it necessary to send out the "official word" to you as soon as the meeting was concluded, so you could have all the information in one place. Here we go!
Campaigns Concluding
Living Greyhawk has been the face of organized play for the 3rd Edition D&D game. Tremendously successful, thousands participate worldwide in the biggest shared-world D&D game anywhere. LG has been around since the beginning of 3rd Edition, and it will last to the end of the 3rd Edition product line.
Starting with a two-round special at D&D Experience 2008 (February 28 - March 2), the campaign will begin its final story arc - a
series of core adventures that will build into the climactic two-round finale at Origins 2008. We're pulling out all the stops in these final
adventures - no major NPC is off-limits, and you're really going to be a part of the most world- affecting story arc we've ever done.
We're getting some of the best authors to ever write for Living Greyhawk to help with these adventures - what the Circle has planned is nothing short of amazing. While the campaign concludes at Origins next year, it is our sincerest desire to provide you an epic conclusion to the campaign we all love so
much...
More information on Living Greyhawk's conclusion will become available in the next few weeks on the website.
Xen'drik Expeditions will also be concluding at Origins 2008. As the D&D Campaigns programs use 2-year story arcs, the campaign pulls into its last stop right on time. The Factionmasters have prepared a great final story arc that really engages all of the factions into a final two-round spectacular at Origins next year. Stormreach will never be the same after it's over.
We also bid a fond farewell to Living Kingdoms of Kalamar in 2008. At D&D Experience next year, LK will run its special finale adventures.
All other adventures will be playable through the RPGA until March 31, 2008.
So, with the existing campaigns ending, what will rise up to take their place? Read on!
Campaigns Beginning
At D&D Experience 2008, you'll be able to get your first full-on play of D&D 4th Edition in its final form. This will come in the form of preview adventures for the next Living campaign - Living Forgotten Realms!
The most popular campaign setting for D&D finally gets its turn as a regionalized Living campaign. If you like the system for Living Greyhawk, you'll love what we have in store with Living Forgotten Realms: more play opportunities
for the average gamer, fully supported online and offline play, and a greater shared-world experience than we've ever done before with a Living campaign. Living Forgotten Realms will be the first truly global Living campaign.
...Thanks to everyone involved in the RPGA for making our organization the success it is today. Stay with us, as it's going to get even better.
Game On!
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Chris Tulach
RPGA Content Manager
Wizards of the Coast
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Tiburon Goblingrinder
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 04:31:00
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Thanks for the info Halidan. I liked the FR more than Greyhawk. Maybe it was just because I was more familiar with it but who knows.
It's exiting news, though it b70wz that we're going to have to start a new party all over again in FR. I'll be re-reading my FRCS 3.0 again for the background, characters and geography again. Understandibly alot of it is going to be tweaked and I realize that but that's OK. |
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Halidan
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 15:11:00
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steve
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 23:07:26
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Im still playing 2nd edition. Was just thinking about going to 3.5.......
Might as well wait now and look at 4.0 |
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Chilled Nova
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Posted - 02/12/2008 : 04:25:01
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| Probably not going to get 4.0, I just got all the books for 3.5 I think it will be a waste of money to switch now, never really know though. |
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Nareth
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Posted - 02/25/2008 : 12:28:34
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I made it to GenCon when they announced 4e, and I've followed just about everything that has been said by the developers. It looks like it will be nearly as big a change from 3.0/3.5 as that was from 2e. There are a lot of things I'm hearing that I like about the new version, and only a few I'm skeptical of. And even those may just be my misunderstanding it.
Aussiegamer: You don't need to buy the access to the web part of it to play. That's a common misconception. The web part is optional. Yes, there may be some online content, but that's not much different than what WotC has been doing right along with their web enhancements. What the online part is primarily for, is for people like myself who are far from their original group. I lived and gamed in Massachusetts before moving to Arizona. If my friends and I get the online part, I can game with them from here. And no, it's not an MMORPG in any way, shape or form. It's basically a virtual table. As I understand it, if you DO use the virtual table, you then can pay a membership fee, and any new content from books will then be added to your virtual table. The point is that the game will not be taken away from those of us who love the paper and book version. Hope that helps a little.
As for me, I am planning to buy the 4e books when they come out. I like enough of what I've heard to switch over, and can house rule anything I don't like back to the older version. Watch your local game store. Mine is taking preorders for $90 for the 3 book slipcase. If I remember right, they retail for over $100. |
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Aussiegamer
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 04:45:56
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yes the "good" stuff will be availble to those how pay!
Im still never buying it! |
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Nareth
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Posted - 02/26/2008 : 12:11:29
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Like I said Aussiegamer, the "good" stuff is in the books. The stuff online will just be extra, and will be free just as it is now. If you want to use the virtual table, then you pay for it monthly, and as part of your subscription, you get new material loaded into the program.
Never say never :) At least look at it first. If you get away from the focus on the online stuff, the changes they're making (for the most part) are pretty good, and should make the game easier to run and possibly more fun to play.
Honestly, with all the 3.0/3.5 stuff I have, I wish they hadn't put out a new edition. I just laugh because of all of us who said they'd never buy 3e, and look how that turned out. |
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Nareth
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Posted - 03/01/2008 : 05:42:44
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Ok, for those of you who don't go to EN World's website on a regular basis, they've posted some material from blogs of people who have gone to D&D Experience. Scott Rouse has some information on the D&D Insider part, which is the website based application. I'll paste it here, as my experience with posting links is sketchy at best.
This may be the killer app on Insider. It runs the character creation process and will be an amazing resource tool for both DMs and players but it will not replace buying physical books. It won't, for example, give you art, story, flavor, and other key non-rules elements from books like the Player's Handbook (e.g. informational text on Adventuring and Combat to name two). What it will do is give you every D&D rule (AKA crunchy bits) from both books and published on D&D Insider (e.g. in a Dragon article) at your finger tips.
Here is what you can expect:
As a subscriber:
After logging in you would open the web based application and start a query, lets say a feat. So you search via a series of cascading drop downs or editable fields : Feats > Eladrin > Ranger > and get a list of titles from which you select > Defensive Mobilty and see the rules entry that tells you it does "+2 to AC against opportunity attacks...". You will look up any rule whether you have the book or not. Pretty awesome and very useful but again still not a replacement for books or the experience of reading a book on the couch.
What you can't do is buy a 1 month subscription in 2010 and expect to get 2 1/2 years of free books that you can they download, cancel your account, and play for really cheap as one poster said they would do.
As a non-subscriber:
You get on the web site and click on the Rules Database tab and start a query for a rules (let's say feats again). You search via a series of cascading drop downs or editable fields : Feats > Eladrin > Ranger > and get a list of titles from which you select > Defensive Mobilty and see the entry to the effect " find on page x of chapter y of the Player's Handbook. Useful and free.
As you can see, there IS some non-member content that you can still use. Looking more attractive yet? :) |
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Nareth
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Posted - 03/01/2008 : 06:00:58
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Ok, here's another bit about the D&D Insider site. Hopefully this will ease some misgivings, and clear up some misconceptions.
Question: What can you tell us about D&D Insider?
Answer: The original “.pdf with every book” plan changed. Now, WotC has the Rules Database, which is incorporated into the D&D insider. Initially the plan was that D&D insider would know what books you own, and give you access to the corresponding rules in the database. They soon determined that that plan was too complicated. In an effort to really embrace the community, they decided on a much simpler plan. D&D Insider assumes that a subscriber owns every product that WotC has published. As long as you subscribe, you’ll have complete access to everything in the rules database. WotC will still offer .pdf’s of 4e books for sale.
The D&D Insider E-commerce will have about 14 different payment options. The price of D&D insider won’t change with the edition. The prices are currently listed as:
- 1 month = $14.95/mo
- 3 months = $12.95/mo
- 12 months = $9.95/mo
With membership comes unlimited access to rules database, use of the full suite of character creation tools (with 50 save slots for character sheets and virtual miniatures). You will also receive all Dragon and Dungeon magazine content as released, and a compiled monthly .pdf. Members will also have unlimited access to the D&D virtual game table and other community features. As a limited time offer at sign up, members will get complete set of online minis and dungeon tiles. In a combination of the ‘subscription’ and ‘microtransaction’ models, individual minis and tiles will be available for separate purchase. However, you don’t need to purchase D&D minis to play. All members will have included access to the entire WotC collection of 2d tokens.
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Menacy
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 10:29:40
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| If i shift to 4.0 or not depends on our play group, but im sure everyone will take a look on them atleast so, just need to find Masterao out there in cyberspace i guess ;) |
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Nareth
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Phareux
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 02:21:55
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